Your answers to The Rift
Who Is More At Fault:
Others fault: Interesting question…….
Look, as much as it pains me to say it, but I think that the person who is most at fault here is Gabrielle! And even right now I do not like myself for saying it. I love Gabrielle. She is the reason that I turn to the show every week (well, used to! Damb channel 10 took it off Aussie viewing!). And if anyone is ready to defend her when she is accused of bad stuff it is me!
Think about it. She had about a thousand or more hints and nudges to tell her that Hope was evil. Why couldn’t she see it herself? Well, firstly, it isn’t easy to come to terms with the very fact that your child is evil, let alone someone who is destined to destroy the world! She wanted too much to have a good kid. Someone that fought for good like she did. But she didn’t, and that realisation for her alone would have been heartbreak.
So, what I believe she did was unconsciously told her self that her child was good, and so when ever someone else said otherwise she got really defensive. This would explain quite well all of her actions after Hopes birth. In short, her unconsciousness lied to her consciousness about Hope being good.
But, why is this, you ask?
For one simple reason.
She loves Xena too. And Gabrielle would never ever hurt Xena, let alone put her son in danger, if she knew she was wrong about her child. But because on the surface she thought her child was good she did all of the things that put both Xena and Solan in danger. However, I reckon that underneath all of that, Gabrielle knew Hope was evil, she just never came to terms with it cos she didn’t want to hurt herself with the pain that would cause.
At least that’s my idea.
So, all in all I say that it was Gab’s fault, but she didn’t do it consciously. Think about it! She never would do something that mean and painful to her best friend on purpose now would she?
And as for Xena’s Gab drag, well, it was Ares who convinced her to kill Gab, but I was a little horrified that she would chose to do it to her ex-best friend in such a painful way! Especially after in the end of Maternal Instincts Gab says, what I think is her best line in the whole history of the show, “I love you Xena”. If only she had stayed around just that little bit longer to see Xena’s reaction! It was one of, “Oh no! My kid is dead, and my best friend has murdered her own child just to get revenge for me, and what do I do? Tell her she isn’t even welcome to speak the name of my dead son!”
All in all, I just wanted to go into the time of ancient Gods so that I could be the shoulders for Xena and Gab to cry on!
I got through the rift still with my love for Gabrielle intact. I thought it was a superb idea with the only fault being a little lack of explanation.
And just for those of you who would like to know my thoughts on the subject, I don’t think Gab and Xena are lesbians. There isn’t much evidence for it, and infact, quite a lot for the opposite because they have both had relationships with guys haven’t they!?!?!
Good on ya creators of Xena. Here’s one major fan saluting you!
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Who Is More At Fault: Ares!
The Xena and gabby “rift” was a hard thing to watch I admit. But no friendship is perfect. There’s always problems and arguments. When you hurt your best friend…that is the worst feeling in all the world. The season 3 eps teach us how to forgive. Life’s too short to hold grudges. Gabby was wrong to lie to Xena about killing Hope but can you blame her. What would you do if Xena told you to kill your child. But Gabrielle should have trusted Xena. I’m glad they patched things up but it’s a lesson we won’t soon forget.
Who Is More At Fault: Gabrielle
Okay, the rift looked bad. REAL bad. But I always knew Xena and Gabrielle would make up (and not just because they were contracted for another season). By the time the rift came around, they knew each other so well and were so accustomed to trusting each other’s motives, I knew it was only a matter of time until the anguish cleared and each could see that the other was just doing what she thought was best. I wasn’t concerned too much with sides (although I sorta think Xena lost more and Gab was more at fault), and I wasn’t fretting over IF they would ever forgive each other. I just felt bad for them that, in each of their moments of darkness, they didn’t even have each other to lean on. I felt sorry for what they had to go through, but I never doubted their friendship could be repaired.
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Who Is More At Fault: Xena
I didn’t like the rift at all, Xena knew Gabby would never give up Hope, but Gabby didn’t have to lie all the time. I also thought they ended it badly, it built up all season, but ended in one song.
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Who Is More At Fault: The Writers
I don’t think it was either Xena or Gabrielle’s fault, I specified the writers. Because if they hadn’t written that Xena was evil then showed the birth of Solan… I mean, if Xena and Borias decided not to have a child, then Solan would never of been born. So then, Hope wouldn’t of killed Solan! But then, Xena came to Britannia to fight Caesar all because of the betrayal as portrayed in “Destiny”.
So, I dunno. The rift was confusing but I survived it, all the hate, anger, then the love — yup, I survived it and I’m proud of it.
Name: Pat O’Neill
Who Is More At Fault: Both
It was uncomfortable to watch and it almost wrecked the show for me…somehow the magic between the characters seemed to be lost. It was good from a dramatic standpoint and I know that any relationship suffers its share of “rifts” but this was a little extreme. I still love the show and probably always will but I’m glad the relationship seems to be going in a more positive direction and Xena and Gabrielle have become stronger both individually and together. I guess the “rift” served its purpose…the characters have both grown from it…but I’m glad it’s over!
Name: Dana Welch
Who Is More At Fault: Neither
Hummm, well, I have a lot of views on this particular ep! I mean, there was a lot of things that took place, before the ep, that lead Xena and Gabrielle to where they were! I can see both sides! I mean if you have kids, you know how much you love them, regardless if they are evil, however, Xena is rarely wrong, she just doesn’t always handle things right, hell who does!!! 🙂
Anyway, revenge, and the need to be accepted, fit in, or find peace in your self, will get you in trouble, more often than not! Try to look at what you have, and not focus on what you do not! You might be surprised what you see! There are a lot more things I could say about this episode.
Well, maybe I shouldn’t have said that neither were at fault!! I mean “all consequences are your own creation, and there’s a price you must pay”, but, it doesn’t really help when you have “certain god’s” involved either! My heart was broken at the end of ” Maternal Instinct’s “, OUCH!!!
But, you could not very well blame either woman, I mean by the god’s, this was their children we were talking about after all!! However, the first clue Gab should have had, that Hope WAS indeed evil, was the way, and the rapidness, of her pregnancy! But, when it comes to your kidz, your judgement can be a little off! And Xena, should not have blamed Gab for Solan’s death. Guilt over your action’s of the past will get you nothing but heartache, plus, Xena knows all to well what kind of heart Gab has! She always want’s to give people the benefit of the doubt, after all, she used her many skill’s to get to Xena!! 🙂
The whole scene where Gab is being dragged behind Argo made me cringe! I kept peeking through my hands, that were over my eye’s! LOL. I mean Gab is not always the best judge of character, but, Xena is always quick to judge people too quickly! So, why did she feel the need to kill her soulmate? ARES! Who else. And that whole “hate thing” with Gab in the Amazon hut,
………CALLISTO! See what I mean? These ladies did not have a chance!
But, Gab’s jealousy has gotten her in trouble before! You can’t blame her though, I mean after all she DOES worship Xena, and she is not a vindictive person! If you love someone, like Gab loves Xena and vice versa, but, never really can prove it or show it enough, it can be very frustrating!!!! Emotion’s suck, but, that is part of being human! The old cliché’ goes….”You always lash out, on/at the one you love the MOST”!
Anger, death, and the feeling of being betrayed, are powerful tool’s, not to mention, dangerous! One thing we all should learn in life, and this ep proved, is that lie’s will get you nothing but, trouble! As will the need for revenge, no matter what the reason, it will cause nothing but chaos everytime!!! I think that this was a great test, on a beautiful relationship! But, if they could/would be more open to their feeling’s for each other, then these kind of thing’s would not happen….well, maybe not at all, but, it would sure make thing’s different! The “HATE IS THE STAR SONG”, said it all! When will these two finally admit that, they complete one another?
Well, there it is! I loved this ep, cringed a lot, but, I loved it!
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Name: Robyn MacDoanld
Who Is More At Fault: Both
I think the lies and deception of both of them is to blame for the rift. But they showed that good friends settle their differences and life goes on.
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Who Is More At Fault: Gabrielle
I think Xena had every right to get angry. Gabrielle betrayed her once and almost got her killed. If Xena hadn’t known those things Lao Ma had taught her she’d have been killed. And as for Gabrielle lying about Hope, well I could never forgive Gabrielle, I mean Her son was killed. She wasn’t trying to hurt Gabrielle by saying Hope should die, she was trying to protect the world! Xena does get overly aggressive, but Gabrielle should know that by now.
Recently a few thoughts sort of crystallized in my head, so I thought I’d throw them out for discussion.
First let me say that IMHO, the Rift was a brave thing to do. It was a worthwhile idea to explore the less than noble aspects of Xena and Gabrielle, shedding light on and resolving aspects of their relationship that were growing co-dependent and less than healthy. Not many shows would have tried this. Granted, I have a lot of problems with the “hows” and “why’s” of it (*big* ones), but that and everything else could have been forgiven if it weren’t for three things:
1) TPTB put the characters (and the audience) through terrible trauma, but in the end, it didn’t mean much. Had it led to the explicit development of a single noble character trait, or some moral lesson, or some meaningful progression of character, it would’ve been worth it, but it doesn’t seem to have. Not once did Xena or Gabrielle say something like, “The last few months have been a journey through Tartarus, but I’m glad it happened because [insert reason here].”
As it was, things pretty much went back to business as usual. I’m sorry, but you can’t just tear two such close characters apart, abruptly fix it, and then go, “Well, everything’s hunky-dory now. Go back to the way things were.” There has to be some payoff, some *reason* they went through what they did. But there wasn’t. Sure, you can *infer* all kinds of things, but nothing was supplied by TPTB.
2) There were a lot of dark eps this season, so the comedy ones just lowered themselves to the least common denominator — with a particularly heavy reliance on crotch-level, adolescent sex jokes. I almost could have handled, say, FF&G (which I thought was funny) if first, it hadn’t been shown in the middle of such a perfectly mediocre series of episodes, and second, we hadn’t already been subjected to KOA, WPrT, and TQIM. With the exception of BTDT, the “humorous” eps this season have been awful, juvenile, and just plain stupid. Please, give us something better.
3) Apparently, one goal for this season was “deconstruct Gabrielle”: I’m sorry, but all I saw was abuse at the hands of TPTB. Week after week, the poor woman was either physically or emotionally pummelled. Again, no particular lessons learned (or at least made explicit — again, you can *infer* anything), just Gabrielle being used as a plot device, again and again, and growing more and more depressed.
IMO, Gabrielle sacrificing herself wasn’t quite the “kicker” it should have been, because committing suicide and burning to death was pretty much the next step for her, considering everything else she’s been through — in fact, it was logical.
Gabrielle became the perfect, eternal victim this season, whether it be the Dahak/Hope plot, guilt through TDI&II, poison in OAAA, a mutilated ear in Forgiven, the Tartarus of FMN, and finally, burned to death in Sacrifice. This upsets and disturbs me greatly because Gabrielle had never hurt a soul before The Deliverer (and had to be tricked into it then) — she simply didn’t deserve this. I don’t care how unrealistic her goals were, they were always noble, and she hardly ever gave a thought for herself. Where’s the sense of moral balance, or even dramatic payoff?
It’s been suggested that all these issues will be taken up and resolved in season 4. However, even if this is what’s going to happen, frankly, putting things off until then is really lame, especially considering that the Rift happened so early in season
3. There were plenty of opportunities to give some meaning to things, but they just didn’t. Case in point, OAAA followed by Forgiven: “Even in death, Gabrielle, I will never leave you,” then a week later, Xena doesn’t even bat an eyelash when Gabrielle has the snot kicked out of her in a bar fight (which, BTW, made no sense — Gabrielle has proven herself in combat time and again, both armed and unarmed, against horrific enemies as in TDHD, but can’t defend herself against a punk kid? Bad, bad writing). Sorry, but as inconsistent as TPTB have been in the past, they *really* lost it this season, and it hurt.
I’m still a big fan (and just finished enjoying a *very* powerful and moving Adventures in the Sin Trade I&II), but I do hope TPTB will take the fan reaction to season 3 to heart, and just *think* a little more about what they’re doing in the future.
Who Is More At Fault: Gabrielle
I think it was necessary to test the friendship, because we all go through that with close friends or lovers at some stage. It’s human nature to protect/defend without thought and test the trust boundaries.
I just wish that they could at least have shown Xena and Gabby kissing at the end of Bitter Suite, it’s so obvious that they are meant to be lovers and even if you think NOT, wouldn’t you hug and kiss your best friend when making up?
I find it hard to believe that they can show Xena dragging Gabrielle behind Argo in such a violent way, almost killing her, but can’t show them kissing. What’s the big deal, it happens. And I think they have that “Role Model” status that would make a positive statement to kids, if that’s what producers are worried about.
I don’t mean a full on show it all scene, that would be silly, just a little more affection surely wouldn’t hurt.
Gabby, was very selfish though in parts, Lucy’s singing was fantastic. She truly is talented.
Name: Ricki Mercado (no relation to Teresita!)
Others Fault: Dahok
I’m probably one of the few people in the world who like the Rift Arc. This introduced (in my opinion) a whole new saga for the characters Xena and Gabrielle. With the introduction of Dahok as an omnipotent being trapped in an alternate dimension and a mere mortal (or demigod depending on whether or not you believe Ares is Xena’s father) can stop him. Though I do wish that Dahok could be more 3-dimensional then the static pure evil villain that he is. Though Hope shows promise.
Hope can be more then she is if the writers build on what they have already laid down. As with Ares and Xena, a similar relationship could happen with Hope and Gab. Ares, though he fights Xena, is in love with her and doesn’t just go and kill her. The same relationship can be had with Hope and Gab. This is evident by the fact that Hope desperately wants Gab’s love (this is shown in the Sacrifice II). Hope has the potential to be more 3-dimensional and not just the cardboard cut-out that she is and I hope that the writers build on that.
Dahok is more to blame in the Rift than either Gab or Xena. Gab was impregnated by Dahok (I won’t say rape cause that is NOT rape) and forced to give birth to his child. Gab, with her moral and ethical views, is looking for some good, something that she can hold on to so that the act wasn’t an attack upon her. So she decides to believe that Hope can be good and turn against her father’s will. Xena reverts to Warrior Princess mode and attempts to kill Hope when the Knight is found dead. Gab still not wishing to believe that the attack on her gave birth to the ‘Daughter of Darkness’ tries to reason with Xena and when that fails she runs away with Hope and later lies to Xena
Name: Jennifer Brill
Who Is More At Fault: Both
I liked the rift, it was very well written. I’m a big fan of the emotional episodes, so I liked MI and BS especially.
Name: Davina Washington
Who Is more At Fault: Neither
The “Rift Arc” showed a stronger Gabby or rather developed a stronger Gabby. I saw Gabby as an Equal to Xena. The determining factor for me was when Xena had dragged her through the Amazon City and was prepared to throw her from the cliffs. Gabby came too and kicked Xena and was dropped to the ground. Gabby got up and turned to face Xena and was ready to fight. A couple of seasons ago she would have never consider such a thing. Since the “Rift Arc” I believe Xena respects her more and I think it shows.
Name: Raymond J Keyes
Who Is More At Fault: Neither
Thought it was a pretty bold move on the part of TPTB (The powers that be), seeing how vanilla most of TV has become. It about tore me apart but I enjoyed it.